Some Santa Cruz pot users, sellers find loopholes in state's medical marijuana laws
The title itself is a lie, setting the stage for everything else.
There are no loopholes. The law wasn't written to be exclusive. In fact, it was written to be as inclusive as possible. That's the whole point. That's why everyone voted for it.
To claim anything else is to betray both the spirit and the letter of the law, and to impugn those who voted for it and (the even larger, OVERWHELMING MAJORITY) who now support it. 80% in most places, by most polls.
SANTA CRUZ — Half the calls to criminal defense attorney Ben Rice are people busted for growing, selling or using marijuana.
You see, it's all in the slant. Now compare, "Even ten years after 215...." with the following:
Rice has developed a reputation for protecting the rights of those who buy and sell the drug under the 10-year-old state law that makes marijuana legal for sick people.
While most of those seeking Rice's services are legitimate medical marijuana patients or caregivers, he estimates 30 percent are not. These people aren't sick, he says, and are simply trying to hide behind the Compassionate Use Act for recreational or profit-making reasons.
"Absolutely, no question about it, some people do take advantage of the law," Rice said during an interview at his Soquel Avenue office. "There are some people who have no medical defense, and I tell them, 'No.' "
Now, as for as people just in it for the money, and the exploitation of patients - I complain about that all the time. And no attorney with enough grey cells to win a case would admit to taking cases he knew were fradulent.
And as for the 30%, I decided to take a look at his site, and he looks to me like one sharp lawyer.
2006
Voted best Santa Cruz lawyer in Metro newspaper reader's poll.
Client arrested with 3,000 + marijuana plants: illegal search motion granted, case dismissed.
Represented Grateful Dead lyricist and Electronic Frontier Founder: John Perry Barlow in a minor dustup.
Take a look at his website:
http://benricelaw.com/whoisben.htmlYes, I'd say he's probably a damn good lawyer, and probably the first stop for every two-bit hustler that didn't do their legwork and got busted...
Authorities say they regularly see perfectly healthy people, some found with several pounds of marijuana, claim the drug is for a sick friend or relative.Yes dear, a typical patient will require 4-6 pounds per year. You should know that, here at ground zero of medical marijuana. You are the in-the-know girl, aren't you?
But gee, you managed to get through the entire article without mentioning that. Oh well....
And as far as perfectly healthy.

I hesitate to mention that I probably look perfectly healthy, and I sure as Hell am not. But the fact is the reason desperately ill people risk and suffer so much to have and use it is because it makes them feel so much better that often they do look perfectly healthy.
I'm sorry I thought that was what medicine was supposed to do.
Am I to understand that people who use marijuana have to exhibit a certain degree of suffering to deserve it? Would you please define this?
And what reporter with a shred of self respect would let this go without asking WHAT authorities? This is getting pretty yellow.
The problem, authorities say, is proving otherwise.Now it's downright cowardly. That's twice, and you call yourself a reporter?
Shades of grayROFL. No. Yellow. Yellow yellow yellow.
Proposition 215, passed by voters in 1996 and known as the Compassionate Use Act, set the stage for sick Californians to legally use marijuana.And your point is?
Senate Bill 420 came along in 2003, attempting to set definitive rules and guidelines about who can sell the drug.The point dear...
But the laws neither clarify who qualifies as a medical marijuana patient nor what exactly the terms are for selling the drug to patients — two gray areas that have opened the law to the most abuse, authorities say.God Lord! I thought that would take forever.
Excuse me but the law is VERY specific about who qualifies as a medical marijuana patient. This is what it says.
A) To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the person's health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine, or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.
(B) To ensure that patients and their primary caregivers who obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes upon the recommendation of a physician are not subject to criminal prosecution or sanction.
(C) To encourage the federal and state governments to implement a plan to provide for the safe and affordable distribution of marijuana to all patients in medical need of marijuana.
http://www.palmspringsbum.com/legal/prop-215.html
Shannon, what part of -any- don't you understand?
Or is it 'written or oral' that you can't wrap your little grey cells around?
For example, one part of SB 420 says medical marijuana caregivers should be allowed "reasonable compensation," while another section says medical marijuana sales should be done as nonprofit.
Now, any intelligent reporter in a world I would want to live in would have rebutted some bozo that blathered nonsense like this with something like, "Uh, you mean you expect someone to risk being raided and drug through court and thrown in the slammer by the feds to do all that for free?"
Another example: The Senate bill created a voluntary identification card system that protects patients and caregivers from being harassed or arrested when they show the card to police. But the voluntary element allows many people to claim a medical alibi even when they don't have an identification card or doctor's recommendation. Attorneys like Rice say that's OK.
I really don't see what it has to do with anything.
They can claim all they want. It's easy enough to verify whether they have a recommendation or not. Call the damn doctor.
Why doesn't anyone ask them what's so hard about it?
Oh, I know, it's too urgent for that.
Now really, what is so urgent about abusing, jailing and robbing a pothead?
Ambiguities in the laws force police to let many people off scot-free because it's often difficult to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, said sheriff's Sgt. Steve Carney, the head of the county's Marijuana Enforcement Team.
And your point is?
Out of 10 people stopped on suspicion of marijuana crimes in the county, only two cases are sent to the District Attorney's Office on average, Carney said.
And your point is?
A lot of cases are dropped because the district attorney feels the case won't win in court, he said, especially in this area where many residents are sympathetic to the cause.
And your point is?
"The percentage we deal with that I believe are truly legitimate is 1 percent," Carney said.
So who gives at rat's *** what YOU believe. That WAS THE POINT OF 215.
If you can't obey the law, well that sounds like a personal problem to me and I really think you should do something about it. Like go into another line of work.
In addition to the gray areas, there are parts of the law that can be confusing for law enforcement officers.
Well duh. Maybe if you required a college degree for the job they wouldn't have this problem.
There are no state regulations for cultivation or distribution of medical marijuana, and California leaves guidelines up to local jurisdictions.
Yeah, the attorney general should have defended the patients years ago and told LEO to leave them alone, statewide. And as for that statement about "no state regulations for cultivation or distribution, that is a downright lie. Cultivation is limited to 6 mature and 12 immature plants per patient, and distribution is limited to 8 ounces, which is a damn sight less than a year's supply for most patients. Shanna, how did you get to be so ignortant about this, particularly after referencing SB 420?
Please see sections:
11362.77
11362.775
11362.79
In fact, maybe you should actually read the whole thing:
California Health & Safety Code
Section 11362.7-11362.83
They can vary widely from county to county.
Don't I know it. Look at San Bernardino. It even looks like Alabama, only fatter.
Under Santa Cruz County law, a patient or caregiver is allowed three pounds of the drug each year. Half a pound of pot equals roughly 300 joints, experts say.
You wouldn't be quoting experts like these law enforcement who can't figure out that we want them to deal with other things like rape, murder, theft, and so forth, could you?
In it for the money
Well, yeah, I complain about that too. But when we talk about who's in it for the money, why isn't Shanna bleating about asset forfeiture, and how much WAMM has spent on lawyers, and how much the recovery racquet rakes in, and how much the prison guard guild slips under the governor's door...
Prosecutors say cases like that of Edwin Hoey, which is now going through the local legal system, are an example of someone hiding behind the medical marijuana law for profit.
Well, anyone that couldn't see that Hoey was full of Hoey must be a reporter, or a LEO...
Hoey, a Santa Cruz man, was arrested in December when deputies found 100 pounds of marijuana at his residence during an investigation. His attorney, Rice, claimed Hoey was providing pot for local medical marijuana dispensaries.
This is the same Rice you were quoting earlier? Hhhmmm....
...but anyway, that is a lot. But what does this have to do with patients?
However, more than $500,000 in cash and a French wine collection valued at $150,000 found in Hoey's possession lead prosecutors to believe he was selling marijuana to make a big profit. They say he sold pot to non-medicinal customers on the East Coast.
Well, let's just string him up in the clock tower and eviscerate him...
"He was taking advantage of the medical marijuana law," prosecutor Pamela Kato said. "This really is a case of greed. It's a travesty of the law"
I'm sleeping on the sidewalk. That's a travesty of the law.
Rice denies Kato's assertion, saying "the vast majority" of Hoey's marijuana was intended for people with a medical need.
Well, if Hoey wasn't Hoey before, he is now. It's all or nothing in this game.
Ben doesn't look so sharp now.
Legal limbo
Ah yes, the limbo...that's where you bend over backwards until you fall on your back...
But using and selling marijuana, medical or not, is still a federal crime.
And your point is?
California's law flies in the face of federal law, which considers marijuana an illegal and dangerous drug.
Come on, spit it out. I know you can do it...
Federal agents have refused to recognize California's medical marijuana law as legal. In some cases the feds have raided California pot gardens and dispensaries.
Yes, but your point?
Earlier this month, federal agents raided nearly a dozen medical marijuana clinics in the Los Angeles area, seizing several thousand pounds of marijuana, weapons and cash.
And your point?
Two medical marijuana stores exist in Santa Cruz, both located in the Harvey West business area, for patients to buy the drug.
The point please?
Ken Sampson, owner of Santa Cruz Patients Collective on Limekiln Street, says he tries to prevent people from breaking the law.
OH MY GOD. There's trouble, in River City, and that starts with T and that rhymes with P and that stands for POT!!!!
Sampson said he's turned away dozens of people who didn't have a doctor's recommendation or proper documentation during the seven months his dispensary has been in business.
Oh for crying out loud, so what?
"I've kicked many people out," said Sampson, himself a medical marijuana patient. "It has to be a verified recommendation. We don't let them past the waiting room"
OK, why are you after him? Did he step on your dress?
The state Attorney General's Office agrees abuse of the medical marijuana system is widespread because the unclear laws leave plenty of room for cheating.
There is nothing unclear about the law. It is LEO and the Attorney General that are cheating. 215 was passed 10 years ago. Why doesn't government obey? Well, there's all that money they steal...just for starters.
"The medical marijuana law left a lot to be desired in terms of clarity," said Nathan Barankin, spokesman for the state Attorney General's Office. "There's more work to be done"
Well, yes it did. For instance, the San Bernardino sheriff, D.A., and courts have decided that that part about not suffering any criminal sanction means that they can do anything they want as long as you aren't convicted of any crime, because until you're convicted of a crime there is no -criminal- sanction.
They can raid you, bust up your place, shoot your dog, destroy your crop, toss you in jail, and steal damn near everything you have, and drag you through court...but that ISN"T CRIMINAL SANCTION.
Many in the legal community hope the ambiguities of the law will be sorted out in the courts.
Several cases regarding medical marijuana are currently pending in the courts to help determine parameters for users and caregivers.
Kato, the county prosecutor, said clearer rules would make her job easier and put more people behind bars.
Let me translate this, they're going to run every single marijuana patient in the state through the courts. Or at least die trying.
Can you say NOT CLEAR ON THE CONCEPT?
The point is to put less people behind bars. If you can't grok that why don't you go to Alabama or somewhere where you'll be happy?
No other state medical marijuana-related bills are in the works at this time, however the deadline to propose legislation for this year is Feb. 23.
Well, there you have it folks. 3 weeks and counting to take some poor patient's medicine away for Valentine's day.
Thank you Shanna. And happy Valentine's day to you, too.
I mean that, most sincerely.